James Murdoch out as News International chairman

David Moir / Reuters

James Murdoch, pictured above, has stepped down as the executive chairman of News Corp.'s publishing arm.

Under increasing pressure from a phone-hacking scandal, James Murdoch has resigned as executive chairman of News International, the company's parent, News Corporation, announced Wednesday.

“We are all grateful for James' leadership at News International and across Europe and Asia, where he has made lasting contributions to the group's strategy in paid digital content and its efforts to improve and enhance governance programs,” said Rupert Murdoch, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, News Corporation, in a statement.

James Murdoch will focus on the company's international TV business, his father said. Tom Mockridge, Chief Executive Officer of News International, will retain his job and report to News Corp. President and COO Chase Carey.

James Murdoch, Rupert's youngest son, was once seen as heir apparent for News Corp's top job. He has been under pressure in Britain since last summer following the phone-hacking scandal that erupted at the unit which he oversaw.

His resignation comes after a new spate of embarrassing revelations in London at the judge-led Leveson Inquiry into press standards, which was ordered by British Prime Minister David Cameron in the wake of the phone-hacking scandal.

A police officer heading three criminal inquiries into reporting practices at News International testified on Monday that there was a "culture of illegal payments" to corrupt public officials at the company's flagship Sun newspaper.

The Inquiry also brought to light an email from a top in-house lawyer at News International that showed senior managers had been told as far back as 2006 that illegal phone-hacking was not confined to one "rogue reporter", as the company maintained for years afterwards, but was likely to have been far more widespread, as later proved to be the case.

Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Sacrifice the kid of Murdoch, to appease the masses, and all problems solved? Not so fast, Murdoch, the crap just keeps coming, and do you feel the heat on the back of your scrawny neck? LOL, the hits just keep coming. Paybacks.

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#1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:39 AM EST

Now if we could just get rid of Rupert. Better yet, dismantle his empire!

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#1.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:45 AM EST

How about de-privatizing the entire news industry?

All news media are controlled by too few individuals in the entire world.

Get rid of the FCC and start over with a control agency with balls.

Create news organizations that serve the people, not special interests.

We need news organizations that ask real questions and demand real answers.

  • 19 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:17 AM EST

Does MSNBC plan to tell the ignorant masses that News Corp is the parent owner of Fox News, or will they let Fox News/GOP/Koch News deny this scandal as unconnected to Murdoch's American businesses?

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#1.3 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:23 AM EST

And you know he will be 'rehabilitated' through a PR campaign which will be carefully designed and begun to be implemented a year or so after this has blown over. Then he will be re0instated in the exact same position 3-4 years later. Nothing will change but the song and dance show will be in full swing.

The best PR people are already on it, they control the media in this case so no question the message will get out, slowly and tentatively at first, polling and research/focus groups will follow to make sure the image is being crafted, donations in amounts just large enough to just the right charities will be made, then POP goes the WEASEL! And everyone will be happy and nobody will remember this little glitch. Revisionism is certain.

So it will go, and this is why such cross media ownership on such a global basis should NEVER have been allowed in the first place.

Watch it happen and be afraid.

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#1.4 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:30 AM EST

Fox News is an enemy of the United States Controlled by Australian Communist

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#1.5 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:33 AM EST

@bicfj

How about de-privatizing the entire news industry?

All news media are controlled by too few individuals in the entire world.

Get rid of the FCC and start over with a control agency with balls.

Create news organizations that serve the people, not special interests.

We need news organizations that ask real questions and demand real answers.

I guess you slept through History class, if you were even taught History.

This has been tried many times. Ever heard of "Pravda?" They were non-private and served the "people." Just ask them.

Ever heard of the "Propaganda Ministry?" It was a great alternative to the FCC.

Ever heard of the "Gestapo?" They were very good at asking questions and getting answers!

Geeesh, you MUST be a (D). Always wanting to control everything those (D)'s.

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#1.6 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:37 AM EST

In a capitalist society Profit trumps morals. Everything is connect, nothing is isolated.

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#1.7 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:43 AM EST

@Peter Jacobs

In a capitalist society Profit trumps morals. Everything is connect, nothing is isolated.

And in a non-capitalist society?

Is it all rainbows and unicorns?

Morals. Whose morals are correct?

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#1.8 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:48 AM EST

Hummmmmmmmmm Poor James .... he will have to buy a new toy to play with! ..lol

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#1.9 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:53 AM EST

Really, the word is intention. It is what we do with it that matters and not necessarily where we are.

Capitalism has a tendency to break things into compartments in order to maximize profits. In many cases one compartment does not make decisions based on how it would effect subsequent compartments. Therefor my post, everything is connected.

  • 9 votes
#1.10 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:56 AM EST

The enemy to America is the radical left of mainstream media. Thank God we have the FOX News!

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#1.11 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:59 AM EST

Noam Chomsky proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, back in the 60-70's, that ALL MEDIA is controlled by the government and corporations, spewing pure propaganda.

Both parties are to blame... this is no partisan issue.

If you think it is just FOX news I can show you BIAS on MSNBC's just as much as FOX. Both are NOT news.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:08 AM EST

So he's just being shuffled around the organization, stepping down from one post to re-focus his efforts on the TV front... nepotism runs big at Fox, as long as daddy owns the company, fall in a deep pile of SXXT and come out with a new suit on.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:14 AM EST

Amen to that! Anytime a political story comes out, I have to watch it on several sites such as Fixed, Msnbc, CNN and my local channels to get an idea of the REAL story.

  • 6 votes
#1.14 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:15 AM EST

LOL! Yah know, Hopeful American, when MSNBC prints a story that involves any of its corporate partners, like Microsoft, it includes a disclaimer. Where's yours? With whom are you associated? FOX News, perhaps, or the US Republican Party?

Because a rational person could not have printed your statement. What "radical left of mainstream media?" If it ever did exist it's been driven into near extinction by the likes of FOX News, and other conservative media outlets. The howling about the left media by the right wing reminds me of the psychological condition known as "projection" where a person subconsciously criticizes some other innocent individual for his own shortcomings & faults.

Except the projection of the Right is a deliberate, organized, deceptive and conscious attempt to deceive the public, and undermine any other media outlets but those of the extreme Right. And what the Right calls the Liberal media is in fact the last remnants of a noble tradition of unbiased & objective reporting, that was a reaction to the Yellow Journalism of the 1800s. Journalism which curiously also favored the Right, and gave us such inglorious moments as the totally unnecessary Spanish American War, drawing the US into its Age of Imperialism, which still haunts us. Shades of US neo-Con adventurism in the Middle East, anyone?

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#1.15 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:32 AM EST

news media are controlled by too few individuals

In and of itself, that is a bad thing.

Used to be that one entity could only control so many media outlets in any gven area. That led to spreading the ability to editorialize around. Media outlets did a better job of reporting the TRUTH back then, and keeping an eye on each other.

These days everythng is considered a valid 'opinion', even if your 'opinion' is that two plus two equals six.

  • 6 votes
#1.16 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:33 AM EST

bicfj, are you insane? Do you want government controlled media? I guess we have that with Media Matters and MSNBC but do you really want more of it?

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#1.17 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:41 AM EST

Centralize media, centralize government, centralize banks, central databases, phone centrals (switches), IP addresses, routers, hmmm. All this centralization needs monitors. Who's monitoring. Where are monopoly laws on central anything.....

  • 6 votes
#1.18 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:45 AM EST

How about de-privatizing the entire news industry?

@ bicfj - Excellent idea !

    #1.19 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:01 PM EST

    Corporations pay the politicians to deregulate and look the other way, they do a great job at it too. Look at energy and oil deregulation, insider trading, separate healthcare and retirement packages for the politicians, etc etc...

    • 11 votes
    #1.20 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:17 PM EST

    Cyborg. Come into the fold.

    • 1 vote
    #1.21 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:46 PM EST

    Darwin only, understandably, hit on part of the picture. While "the fittest" is a rule within evolution, but it is not, to my reading and reflection, the only one. Human communities (I didn't type communism so any Fox snipers, please put your blow guns away) give us our place.. and back through evolution, the moments when symbiotic (mutually beneficial) relationships were established were times where the greatest advancement in capacity were possible. (Search Mitochondrion... and then think... when your a dedicated cell, what could you do now that your need to search for energy sources isn't all consuming... hmmm.. maybe you enhance you communication abilities)

    Bottom line for me is that Net Worth is not equal to Self Worth, they often vary with inverse proportionality. The pursuit of wealth is not noble as wealth is inherently valueless. That is not to say I think everyone should become monks and live in the woods.. but needing that huge boat so you don't have to do without the 512 when you travel, when there are children starving in your own country is... well.. perhaps that goal should be reexamined.

    • 3 votes
    #1.22 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:54 PM EST

    If ever anything fit the criteria as a 'Clear and Present Danger' against the United States, Faux News comes as close as anything I've ever seen.

    • 5 votes
    #1.23 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:02 PM EST

    Red_Vespa .... Insightful Post!

      #1.24 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 9:50 AM EST
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      Daddy please keep me out of jail! I'm sorry that I was a pompous jerk during those televised hearings! I don't want those Americans that I pirated and slandered to take all my money! Daddy...please...I promise I'll be good!

      • 26 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:41 AM EST

      Any of Murdoch's followers in the news business that remain in their administrative and CEO positions changes nothing.

      So - what other news is there today?

      • 6 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:41 AM EST

      The best is The Economist. The NYT is in Israel's and the real estate industry's beds.

        #3.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:44 PM EST
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        Hopfully more will come and they can start putting these people in jail. All the Murdoch's.

        • 16 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:42 AM EST

        Fox people are liars and cheaters? Who'da thunkit?

        • 22 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:45 AM EST

        At least they are not manipulators and crooks, and tax cheaters and.....

          #5.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:04 PM EST

          desertman1 - I hope I'm hearing a facetious tone in your comment.

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          #5.2 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:39 PM EST
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          Murdoch's must pay! Put them all in jail, the dirty bas-----!

          • 9 votes
          Reply#6 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:48 AM EST

          But he stays where he can continue to guide them to more lies and illegal acts here in the US. Geez....good one there.

          • 14 votes
          Reply#7 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:49 AM EST

          What a sleasy operation. It's sad they they now own the WSJ, which used to be an objective, reliable, non-agenda-driven publication.

          Now it's a right wing rag with stock market prices.

          • 23 votes
          Reply#8 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:53 AM EST

          ... and can't you tell? The WSJ has taken a sudden, severe turn to the right ...

          • 9 votes
          #8.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:17 AM EST

          Yeah, as if there is a single "objective" source of news anywhere today.

          • 7 votes
          #8.2 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:40 AM EST

          There is a "objective" and fair news source ...... AJE .. Al Jazeera English ... live stream ..

          • 4 votes
          #8.3 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:57 AM EST
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          Love to see arrogant plicks like this guy get taken down.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#9 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:02 AM EST

          Murdock (with his smarmy ways in the UK), David Brock (the hypocrite with his armed bodyguard) of Media matters meeting with MSNBC, Politico, and even the Whitehouse. Few, if any journalists can be trusted. Too many have become the toadies of politics and are more interested in giving journalistic lewinskis than they are holding all people in power accountable. A pox on them all. Unfortunately, one has to sort through all this rubbish to get some idea of what's going on. Anyone who uses only the right or the left's sources risks a severe case of tunnelvision.

          • 14 votes
          Reply#10 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:05 AM EST

          True, very true.

          Objectivity takes a back seat to politics these days when it comes to journalism.

          Whether the news is good or not depends on your biases.

          These here gloating over an executive stepping down from one position, only to be named to another position later, sound like they will personally gain from it.

          In the end, nothing will have changed, but those gloating will walk away with an increased sense of self believing their world is just a bit better now.

          It isn't. LOL

          • 5 votes
          #10.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:44 AM EST
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          When is he and his father going to jail?

          • 5 votes
          Reply#11 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:06 AM EST

          Well,

          I wonder if the same thing happened at the NYT or WP if the responses would be the same. Lets be fair.

          LIke Fox News. Everyone on this Blog who I suspect are paid political hacks. I challenge you to give me a specific example of Fox lying. I have heard all you hacks stating this but I have not seen one example. Put your money where your mouth is.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#12 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:08 AM EST

          Honey, there just isn't enough space or time....

          • 9 votes
          #12.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:12 AM EST

          That's ok, just give one example.

          • 3 votes
          #12.2 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:16 AM EST

          I remember two different times, on purpose, they had a D after a pugbagger who got busted, instead of the correct R. Now if that isn't lying, WTF is? And Bill's WAR on CHRISTMAS manure? That's just two, but like jare said, not enough time.

          • 7 votes
          #12.3 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:20 AM EST

          foxnewslies.net

          • 7 votes
          #12.4 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:25 AM EST

          How about the time they put in the false crowd pictures? That was funny as hell. But like everyone is saying it'd take a week and I'd rather spend the time counting the wrinkles on my dogs balls than doing your frigging research for you. Take responsibility. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. Don't be a lazy freeloader looking for a handout. Do your own frigging research. lol

          • 12 votes
          #12.5 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:29 AM EST

          Since you admit that you like drinking the KoolAid, there is no point in speaking to a closed mind.

          • 3 votes
          #12.6 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:41 AM EST

          Claiming other news outlets were not covering some story in an ad, but using a photo from one of those news outlets in the ad which clearly proves they were covering it:

          On September 18, 2009, Fox News Channel took out full-page ads in The Washington Post, the New York Post, and The Wall Street Journal with a prominent caption reading, "How did ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN miss this story?" with pictures of a Tea Party movement protest on the United States Capitol lawn. A still picture in the ad was in fact taken from a CNN broadcast covering the event.

          And here is another LIE

          Carl Cameron, chief political correspondent of Fox News, authored a bogus "news article" on the Fox News website in October 2004. It contained three fabricated quotes attributed to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. Fox News retracted the story and apologized, calling it a "jest" that became published through "fatigue and bad judgment, not malice."

          You can call it a 'jest' all you want later, but the truth is they lied, and you simply don't do that in the news---it is not a comedy show.

          Altering Photos to make other news outlets reports look dark sinister etc (Lying about what they actually look like)

          On the July 2, 2008 edition of Fox and Friends, co-hosts Brian Kilmeade and Steve Doocy aired photos of New York Times reporter Jacques Steinberg and Times television editor Steven Reddicliffe that appeared to have been crudely doctored, apparently in order to portray the journalists unflatteringly.

          There are three lies, if you need more--let me know

          • 9 votes
          #12.7 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:02 AM EST

          Sigh. A clue about the subject matter is a good thing; you might want to look into obtaining one.

          Here's a clue source for you: newshounds.us

          You might also have a look at Robert Greenberg's 2004 movie 'Outfoxed: Murdoch's War on Journalism". It's a bit dated, but lie after lie after distortion after omission are documented therein. It can be streamed through Netflix Watch Instantly.

          The fact remains, though, that you aren't actually interested in the truth.

          • 6 votes
          #12.8 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:12 AM EST

          fox associations has a lot to say about their intent to sway and lie for news. I stopped watching for any length of time, as with rush limpaw I tune in only to see what Americas enemies are thinking and it is so typical of murdochs news around the world. Oreallys statement on national news stating a kidnapped kid enjoyed being molested, ended allll credibility in my view of what is news. Fox is only a glorified tabloid to the majority of sane in this country.

          They encourage any underhanded news source, yes even the deviates.

          Oliver North a reliable source, G Gordon liddy, come on we the people need to shut them up. As with murdoch who encourages any news source,,, takes any story and runs amuck, Tillman, Cindy sheehan Casey Sheehans mom (who only wanted another meeting with bush about her sons death in Iraq just had to be demonized, Jessica lynch,,,and the list goes on as long as bushes first election made them a news source. This should tell us something about their intent.

          • 9 votes
          #12.9 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:51 AM EST

          Don't be a lazy freeloader looking for a handout. Do your own frigging research. lol

          So what your saying is, don't be a liberal democrat. Got it.

            #12.10 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 9:10 AM EST

            I have to admit, I did like the palm trees in WI during the winter in a photo trying to make protesters look like a big angry mob during the collective bargaining fiasco.

            Find me a single naturally growing palm tree in WI, let alone a whole row along a street.

              #12.11 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:36 PM EST
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              James does not Abide!!

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              Reply#13 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:11 AM EST

              What a scumbag. I also think CNN should be ashamed of having Peirs Morgan as a broadcaster since he was President/Editor of the paper when a lot of this happened. I hope Fox looses the Premiership Games too! Billions down the drain and they deserve it.

              • 12 votes
              Reply#14 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:13 AM EST

              All these so called journalists are nothing but a bunch of spineless jerks. It would be refreshing to hear the truth for once instead of concocted stories. Why don't they step up to the plate and tell the truth even if it threatens their jobs. I know because i was married to an anchorwoman/reporter for 20 yrs. You never get the truth. The truth always comes out.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#15 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:13 AM EST

              Rupert did say one thing some time ago that I was shocked he would admit. He stated that Fox news programing wasn't news it was entertainment. Yep, and not very good entertainment. I'd rather watch reruns of 'Car 54 where are you?' or maybe F Troop. lol

              • 9 votes
              Reply#16 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:16 AM EST

              How about de-privatizing the entire news industry?

              All news media are controlled by too few individuals in the entire world.

              Get rid of the FCC and start over with a control agency with balls.

              Create news organizations that serve the people, not special interests.

              We need news organizations that ask real questions and demand real answers.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#17 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:19 AM EST

              We would need to fix the government first. The government is also controlled by too few individuals that serve special interests and not the people.

              • 6 votes
              #17.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:22 AM EST

              @bicfj

              How about de-privatizing the entire news industry?

              All news media are controlled by too few individuals in the entire world.

              Get rid of the FCC and start over with a control agency with balls.

              Create news organizations that serve the people, not special interests.

              We need news organizations that ask real questions and demand real answers.

              Okay, one more time.....

              I guess you slept through History class, if you were even taught History.

              This has been tried many times. Ever heard of "Pravda?" They were non-private and served the "people." Just ask them.

              Ever heard of the "Propaganda Ministry?" It was a great alternative to the FCC.

              Ever heard of the "Gestapo?" They were very good at asking questions and getting answers!

              Geeesh, you MUST be a (D). Always wanting to control everything those (D)'s.

              • 3 votes
              #17.2 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:50 AM EST

              De-privatizing the news industry means to have it be owned and controlled more locally.

              It means to not have only five or six individuals in the world define what is news and what news is supposed ot do.

              It means real investigative journalism to ask questions that unearth the snakes in the grass, to unearth corrupution and to benefit the interests of the people instead of the corporations including the news organizations themselves.

                #17.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:13 PM EST
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                Hopefully their sewage is investigated in the U.S. as well; and that garbage they call Fox"news" is off the air. There is no need for constant lies, deceit and propaganda viewed by a large percentage of our population, who think they are actually watching news!

                • 8 votes
                Reply#18 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:21 AM EST

                Remember what the old saying is "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree?"

                • 5 votes
                Reply#19 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:24 AM EST

                This is Big Brother's right arm Little Brother; the entire empire must fall and never again be allowed to flush as untouchable. This company made a mockery of democracy by spoon feeding their newspapers and tv reporters the same racist and dividing trash to supporters all over the world. Its as if all News Corp. received a daily message from the communist yellow papers and decided that the world needed to be transformed into a dictatorship with one world leader - Staling and Hitler.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#20 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:27 AM EST

                I blame Fox News for bringing the U.S. down through their gossip, rumor mongering, and outright lies. I have family members that watch Fox News all the time and they have turned into the meanest and the most bitter old men. These bitter old relatives have no life as they are constantly watching Fox News and getting infuriated by a bunch of junk that supposedly passes for news. I want my sweet loving relatives back, Fox!!

                • 16 votes
                Reply#21 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:29 AM EST

                My Sister is a Rabid Republican, at least she thinks she is and so is her daughter and watches FoxNoise all damn day long. She gets really worked up and I just have to leave. Bless her Heart!

                One of the Most unforgivable things FoxNews and the Bush Administration did was to divide America. I used to enjoy the company of my fellow Americans, Republican or not before Bush. Even Family members have been driven apart because of these Dirtbags-Unforgivable!

                The whole Murdoch family needs to be driven out of my Country and sent packing back to Australia!

                We are either in this together or not at all...

                • 8 votes
                #21.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:58 AM EST

                nancy and ted, you are so right! Fox News (a misnomer if I ever saw one) has created a hardcore legion of True Believers. They have polarized our country as never before. Do you want to know what happened to "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?" Fox News killed it.

                • 9 votes
                #21.2 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:48 AM EST
                Reply

                It is a good start. The empire that Rupert Murdoch built is based on sleaze, a disregard for the law and distortion. The New International media will propagate any lies that serve its purposes. If lives are ruined in the process, it is not a consideration.

                • 7 votes
                Reply#22 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                Now if Rupert Murdoch will go back to Australia forever and shut down FoxNoise we can start Popping the Corks!

                FoxNoise is for "Shut Ins" who get Lathered up watching FoxNoise all Dayyyyy Longgggggggggggggg!

                • 6 votes
                Reply#23 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:43 AM EST

                This is biblical! Old Rupert offering up his boy as the sacrificial lamb to save his own skin! That's OK I'm sure daddy will take care of him with a nice fat severance package!

                • 4 votes
                Reply#24 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:46 AM EST
                agawgradDeleted

                Annnnnnnd,this is news that anydanm body gives a @!$%# about,why?

                • 1 vote
                Reply#26 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:16 AM EST

                BECAUSE it clearly demonstrates the corruption of a major political (and conservative) force which is able to mislead and influence people --DUH!!!

                • 1 vote
                #26.1 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:32 PM EST
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