Nearly half of private workforce employed by big companies

Bureau of Labor Statistics

Big companies are also the big heavyweights when it comes to employment, according to new data released this week by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

About 46 percent of Americans who work for a private company are employed by a firm with 500 or more employees, according to the most recent BLS data from March of 2011. That translates into approximately 50 million workers, the BLS said.

About 28 percent, or 30.4 million Americans, are working for a company with 49 employees or less, while about 26 percent, or 28.3 million, are working for a company with 50 to 499 employees.

The big employers also have seen the biggest growth in employment over the past two decades, according to the BLS.

As of March of 2011, the smallest companies by employee size were employing about 11 percent more people than in April of 1990, according to the data. Employment at the mid-sized firms is up 13 percent over that time period, while the largest employers have seen employment jump by 29 percent.

 

“The small size class is fairly flat whereas a lot of the growth is coming in the large firms,” said Nathan Clausen, an economist with the BLS.

Clausen said it doesn’t appear that growth in the bigger companies is coming from small companies getting bigger. Although that happens, he said, it’s also true that larger companies get smaller. That means they’re basically canceling each other out.

Still, he said government economists are just beginning to take a more detailed look at the data, to try to figure out what's behind these trends.

Already, they are finding some interesting things.

For example, Clausen said, in the early 1990s the leisure and hospitality industry was dominated by smaller employers. But in the mid-1990s, larger employers quickly began dominating that industry.

That makes sense to anyone who travels regularly and has seen larger hotel and other chains become much more prevalent.

Clausen said the economists also noticed that during the Internet bubble of the late 1990s and early 2000s, much of the employment growth came not from small employers but from large ones.

That may have been because the startups that got so much attention during that time were snapped up by big firms. Or it may have been because the small employers created a lot of business for the big ones by ordering their products and using their services.

Clausen noted that the data looked narrowly at jobs, so it’s not clear whether the startups were contributing more to the economy in other ways.

“Startups maybe were generating more income, but in terms of jobs … the jobs were being created not in the startups in the large companies,” he said.

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Would you rather work for a big employer or a small one?

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Total of 1,382 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

45.2%
A big employer
624 votes
37.8%
A small employer
523 votes
17%
I'll take any job at this point
235 votes
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A big employer

Somewhat less nepotism.

  • 5 votes
 - 9:16 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

Small employer is better overall but big companies have perks too

  • 3 votes
 - 9:17 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

Far less politics and more reward as a valued contributor to the business.

  • 7 votes
 - Joe4USA
 - 9:23 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A big employer

So half work for big and half work for small. I have found small often has weird owners and bad benefits. Big is usually better.

  • 8 votes
 - C McCoy
 - 9:24 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A big employer

Companies under 500 are much more vulnerable to the Obama taxes on the "rich" since that tax causes these owners to cut back on upgrades.

  • 9 votes
 - 9:41 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

Not surprising that large companies are dominating; they've taken over the marketplace. Very hard for small businesses to compete nowadays

  • 14 votes
 - 9:58 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A big employer

Big company, bigger salary. Plain and simple.

  • 7 votes
 - 10:02 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
I'll take any job at this point

Speech in Washington, May 4, 2006]

BARACK OBAMA'S PLAN FOR SMALL BUSINESS

There are approximately 25.8 million businesses in the United

  • 2 votes
 - 11:01 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

I'm done with being a cog in the big-wigs' bonus pool.

  • 11 votes
 - 11:32 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

I don't like the feeling of being a cog in the machine

  • 8 votes
 - 11:36 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

A more honest headline would be, "Big companies employ less than half of the private workforce".

  • 13 votes
 - 11:45 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A big employer

More stability and less nepotism

  • 4 votes
 - sharky.
 - 11:47 am EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A big employer

Large companies often have better benefits and MORE benefits. They can also more often pay higher salaries.

  • 8 votes
 - 12:03 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A big employer

Big employer - you have a better chance of getting needed fixed benefits than with a smaller emplpyer.

  • 7 votes
 - 12:24 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

"Almost"? Companies with 500 or less employees employ the most workers.and contribute the most to the GDP.

  • 9 votes
 - Paul_W
 - 1:15 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

Work for small co now. You tend to get eaten up and forgotten in a large co,

  • 5 votes
 - 2:32 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

I like being treated and valued as an individual, $ are not the only concideration.

  • 7 votes
 - Foy-49
 - 2:40 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

Big companies consolidate small ones, lay people off ect.. Then they purchase unfair advantage by purchasing Gov. taking all the profits.

  • 7 votes
 - 3:49 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

The problem with the small employer is there is a very limited amount of capital available..... Banks are hording thier money.....

  • 6 votes
 - OHGuy
 - 4:56 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A big employer

Better pay, better benefits, actual policies. Small companies are too often Mickey Mouse affairs.

  • 6 votes
 - DShot1
 - 8:18 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

big companies always wind up screwing the employees at some point

  • 7 votes
 - 10:26 pm EST on Fri Feb 17, 2012
A small employer

Been freelancing while looking for permanent work for over 3 years. Small firms value people. Big Corps value power—they are greedy and evi

  • 6 votes
 - 12:35 am EST on Sat Feb 18, 2012
A big employer

Benefits are better and cheaper with large companies.

  • 5 votes
 - 10:54 am EST on Sat Feb 18, 2012
A big employer

More evidence that Small Business does not drive the economy.

  • 3 votes
 - BXURZ
 - 1:33 pm EST on Sat Feb 18, 2012
A big employer

500 people is still midsize, IMO. Big firms, >5K people, offer better pay & benefits, more growth & mobility, and maybe even a pension.

  • 3 votes
 - 4:15 pm EST on Sat Feb 18, 2012

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Thank you MSNBC for letting us comment on this story. So many times you have closed a discussion because it was not going "your way". You did the right thing this time, not like the GM story.

  • 16 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:00 AM EST

I agree, Oliver. I've seen many times where a story either doesn't allow comments or has removed stories. I always wonder why this happens.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:50 AM EST

At no other time in history have large employers maintained the current level of cash. The uncertainties of the costs of government programs, taxes and a global reduction in demand has led to a negative impact on the American worker. The current administration has shown an incredible lack of vision for the growth of our nation. Instead, he has chosen to put one group of people over another. With divisiveness in our country, a recession in Europe, Japan recovering from a horrible earthquake, the never ending problems in the Middle East, where is a business leader going to invest or expand in order to create more jobs? The solution is never bigger government. We need tax reform in this country. We need leaders who will encourage them to want to take the risks that lead to job creation. What we don't need is someone flying around the country using childish name calling like "Fat Cats" and threats of ..."needing to pay their fair share..." If I was a wealthy, rich Fat Cat with no idea what the president meant by me paying my fair share, do you really think I'm going to be in any hurry to take any risks? Hell, I could wait until November to see the outcome. Besides, I still don't know exactly what the impact of the HCR is going to be.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:30 PM EST

Thank you? Get real! The objective of this survey by MSNBC is to see if majority of Citizens will accept a subordinate role to a One World Corporate Cartel. This is a self-serving political tool for the Elite ownership.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:56 PM EST

this is interesting..if you look hard we can see where the huge loss of jobs has then come from..and it is the closing of many manufactuing companies and others looking only for profits...and workers that are afraid to say anything..such as you find in countries like China. It shows us all pretty well that companies are no longer concerned with its workers..only profits. Even Henry Ford in his day knew that to sell his new cars....people , including his own working crews, had to be able to buy them..today, that does not seem to be the case..as companies are more concerned with profits and higher payouts to CEO's. The trully interesting thing is that these same companies have no problem handing out millions through their lobbyist to members of congress....just never hand money to their own workers without complaining about it .

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:57 AM EST

From comment above..

Big company, bigger salary. Plain and simple.

Uhmm..yeah, tell that to the workers @ Walmart.

I can see where these results can be skewed in so many ways.

I'd be willing to bet, a huge percentage of 5,000+ workplaces, are government contract workplaces. Or subdized in some way by our gov.

"help" for the little guys has pretty much vanished.

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:31 PM EST

Name ONE instance of that, Oliver.

Go on.

    #1.8 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 AM EST

    dave20121

    At no other time in history have large employers maintained the current level of cash. The uncertainties of the costs of government programs, taxes and a global reduction in demand has led to a negative impact on the American worker.

    You got the demand part right... the other points are nothing but made-up right wing talking points. health care? most large companies either provide it outright or pay most of it... beyond what the new laws will require. They do it because 1) it keeps employees, 2) employees that are well work better and longer.

    Taxes are currently at an all time low.

    Government programs are what they are and what they have been... exactly HOW are government programs affecting the American workers? They won't complain about unemployment any time soon... Social Security? Okay with them. Medicare? Go for it... so what do you mean?

    Oliver,

    You're getting paranoid. I've noticed a few recently that were either missing comments altogether or shut off early... appeared to be pretty random to me.

      #1.9 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:47 PM EST

      @Toasty McGrath, the "The ten riches US Presidents" is not open for discussion.

      http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/20/10434575-the-10-richest-us-presidents

        #1.10 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:12 PM EST

        Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted...

          #1.11 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:30 PM EST
          Reply

          Does this mean that nearly 50% of American workers are "pure evil"?

          • 10 votes
          Reply#2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:18 AM EST

          Now if MSNBC would only do a story on the federal bureaucracy and their salaries/benefits I would think that they really were interesed in informng the American public rather than just repeating White House talking points. It is so sad to see journalism become so politically controlled.

          • 7 votes
          #2.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:50 AM EST

          They did do one a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if you can find it in the archives or not.

          • 2 votes
          #2.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM EST

          Ice...

          No! It most likely means that 50% of the workforce may be unemployed soon.

          • 1 vote
          #2.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:07 PM EST

          @Ice,

          No, it means that small businesses (as originally defined by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce as less than 50 employees) only employ 28% of all full-time employees.

          @Watermelon,

          Can't you EVER stick to the topic? This is about the number of employees relative to the size of businesses. It has exactly nothing to do with the federal government or its pay and benefits. And exactly how is a breakdown of employment by size of business a "White House talking point?" Methinks you wouldn't know a talking point if it bit you in the butt.

            #2.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 PM EST

            If you factor in the costs of employing someone, it is the mega-corporations who can afford to pay. Smaller companies can't get the insurance packages or price breaks that a Xerox or GE can. They also don't have the lobbying or political clout to get legislation created to favor them. Only mega corporations can afford to buy politicans.

            • 2 votes
            #2.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:34 PM EST

            Mygirl you just explained why I have no desire to ever work for a corp again. I know you can make more money alot of times at corps but to me money is not what my world revolves around. Since quiting my job for a defense contracter i got a farm and and a part time job at a small business and could not be happier.

              #2.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:41 AM EST
              Reply

              So small businesses do employ most workers? It seems to depend on what you think of as a small business.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST

              Small businesses are being forced from the marketplace. I was a small business owner for years. Banks and Reagan put me out of business in Texas in the early 1980's, but its been policy to supress wages and independent merchants for many prior decades. Most of you are experiencing results from an outwardly aggressive stage being in the context of an, 'They don't give a sh*t mode.'.

              • 3 votes
              #3.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:17 PM EST
              Reply

              This data does not surprise me. A true small business I.E. Mom & Pop stores are nearly dead due to unfair competition. This is what the "free market" dictates. Eventually we'll all be working for Walmart.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:25 AM EST

              Big government favors big business. There are so many governmental regulations these days that most small companies just don't have a chance.

              • 4 votes
              #4.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:59 PM EST

              @noah,

              Since you mentioned Walmart, a little story: Back when Sam Walton was still alive, he was very concerned about the impact that Walmarts had on local small businesses. So, for years, any time a new Walmart was being opened anywhere, they taught a free 35 classroom hour seminar on "How To Compete With Walmart." I went to one in Roanoke, Virginia, but the first thing I noticed that there were only a handful of people attending.

              Walmart taught people that they had little to fear because it was relatively easy to capitalize on Walmarts weaknesses. Walmart is a monolithic enterprise, and as such, lacks agility. A small business can make changes in a weekend that would take Walmart years to do. Small businesses are much better attuned to local customer needs and preferences were Walmart operates on a national and often international scale. What sells well across the country might not necessarily sell well in Podunk, Georgia. They advised small businessmen to become expert on what Walmart doesn't carry, on areas where local goods can actually undersell Walmart's prices because a small local business does not have the supply-line overhead of a company like Walmart. It goes on and on and was a very informative seminar. But I was impressed that Walmart took such a positive attitude toward small businesses.

              The problem with Moms and Pops competing with Walmart is that they want to continue to do business in exactly the same way that they always have. Even slight change is very threatening to some people.

              I would also point out (as a former small businessman myself) that most of what we think of as "small businesses" are, in reality, just jobs. And the absolutely worst employer to work for is "self-employed." Self-employeed makes you work long hours and skip vacations, forego health insurance and be pleasant to fools. A majority of small businesses are just one guy with some part-time help and the whole business is run out of the person's checking account.

              It doesn't really have anything to do with government regulations or mythical mounds of paperwork. As a small businessman, I consistently spend almost no time on anything connected with government regulations or bureaucracy. It was simply a myth. The only related area that caused me to spend any significant amount of time was on payroll/benefits/workmens' comp/etc and these issues were primarily local and state regulation, not federal regulation.

                #4.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:23 PM EST

                Chris my favorite job I ever had was at a tiny small business one owner and two workers also I was the highest paying job I ever had. Even had enough to pay cash for my minor medical problems. If I ever need off for some unforseen reason she was always willing to let me have it off. Although I will give you that you do have to be nice to morons like engineers. I lived in a engineering town at the time. I am sure their are some engineer out there with a good personality and some common sense but i have failed to meet one.

                  #4.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:54 AM EST
                  Reply

                  Go to Google and ask about small business. Depending on the product and other issues a small business can have between 500 and 1500 employees and have profits between 2.5 and 25 million. Key is that they are privately owned so profits are taxed as income. Hence a man making $500,000 profit in his company who would want to put those profits back into upgrading equiptment or hiring new employees will definitely be deterred by the Obama tax on the rich. It is a real factor that the president either does not understand or if in fact he is against private enterprise vesus expansion of the federal government - he understands onlyy too well.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:47 AM EST

                  Speech in Washington, May 4, 2006]

                  BARACK OBAMA’S PLAN FOR SMALL BUSINESS

                  There are approximately 25.8 million businesses in the United States and 99.7 percent of all employers are small businesses. Barack Obama will help these businesses by cutting their health care costs, improving their access to capital and investing in innovation and development

                  http://www.trueyoumarketing.com/obama-and-mccain-views-of-small-business.htm

                  So Barry does not even knows who hires and to what%?

                  Don't elect this clown,.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:04 AM EST

                  Right. Big companies have done such wonderful things for the American worker.

                  Just ask all the auto workers laid off since the 1970s. Take a little visit to Michigan and see how many cities have been destroyed by the plant closings.

                  Talk to Borders workers. See how well they appreciated working for that big company.

                  Talk to Blockbusters employees. Lehman Brothers. Washington Mutual. TWA, PanAm and other airlines.

                  Never mind all the big companies that have outsourced their jobs over the years.

                  Everyone that's gone bankrupt and trimmed their business locations and employee rosters.

                  May Kodak rest in peace.

                  • 8 votes
                  #6.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:46 AM EST

                  Don't elect this clown,.

                  The only clowns I've noticed are at the republican debates on stage and in the audience.

                  • 9 votes
                  #6.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:50 AM EST

                  And how is it that everyone can CONVENIENTLY ignore the fact that the Bush twins are the ones responsible for the majority of our current budget woes, getting us embroiled in two unnecessary wars in the Middle East and driving up our national debt as a result? Or that Reagan was the one who took our debt into the billions to begin with, rather than working to eliminate it altogether when it was still possible to do so? How can everyone ignore that Bush II had 7 million unemployed and NO PROGRAMS IN PLACE to reverse that growing trend--hence the reason it's doubled in the past few years, because NOTHING turns on a dime.

                  Barack Obama is not God. He's not Jesus. He's not a miracle worker. You can't put a president in to office and expect to reverse some ten, twenty or thirty years of change in THREE DAMNED YEARS. There is no magic button to stop previous administration's ongoing legislation and actions, and reverse decades of blunders like outsourcing (began in earnest in the 1960s), illegal immigration (which has always been a problem, but is now highlighted as the poor vs. rich controversy heats up and people want someone to blame for their woes), banks and real estate companies' raping of the American public, etc. From Clinton with NAFTA to the ever-vacationing Bush Jr., this country is laboring under the sins of the past.

                  Presidents don't control the economy; special-interest groups and lobbyists have them by the balls. Have you never listened to the rants of George Carlin?

                  • 8 votes
                  #6.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:56 AM EST

                  StandUp

                  You said it, "Presidents don't control the economy". I agree with that but I don't agree with the statement "special-interest groups and lobbyists have them by the balls". They have Congress by the balls not the President. And While we have had republican Congresses we have done well. This country went to hell under the democrat Congress in 2007 and 2008. It is starting to get better now that the republicans got back some control of the House.

                  I don't know how you can CONVENIENTLY forget that both parties took us to war.

                  • 5 votes
                  #6.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST

                  Ummm... somebody apparently got "hosed"

                  This is what happens when junior high dropouts attempt to do a bit of statistical analysis.

                  Obama's statement was concerning the number of businesses operating in the US, and their relative size.

                  The article is measuring business size, as it it relates to total employment in that size category.

                  Sadly, another squalling teapublican who was - Left behind..

                  • 5 votes
                  #6.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST

                  StandUpJokeOff...

                  There is a solution. It is so overwhelming to most that they won't acknowledge its existence. It's called a Revolutionary War. A total replacement of the corrupt Washington Establishment along with its supporters.

                  The Greeks are trying as best they can. I guess our Patriots have been replaced by surrogate video game heros.

                  Don't want to hear about that! Right?

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST

                  StandUpJerkOff - Just ask all the auto workers laid off since the 1970s. Take a little visit to Michigan and see how many cities have been destroyed by the plant closings.

                  UAW.

                  StandUpJerkOff -Talk to Borders workers. See how well they appreciated working for that big company. Talk to Blockbusters employees. Lehman Brothers. Washington Mutual. TWA, PanAm and other airlines.

                  Candidate (Senator) Obama's 2007-2008 "Tax the Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" chased the Richest Person In the World and those Rich US and Foreign Business Investors that were copying his successes out of the US to Vietnam, India, China, etc.. Without these hundreds of Billions of USDs in Business Investments, most US Businesses could not obtain Credit adding to this Great Depressions "Credit Crisis". Same thing happened during the 1929-1939 Great Depression, the Rich Founding Fathers refusing to pay the British Stamp Act Taxes, later the Rich British abandoning England's Tax the Rich including selling Icon British Businesses to Foreign Nations example: Jaguar to Tata Motors of India, etc..

                  President Obama causing the Permanent Loss of US Manufacturing, US Industry, etc. due to President Obama's upcoming disabling of the President FDR created US Military Industrial Complex that got the US out of the 1929-1939 Great Depression 1939 before US Entry into WWII 1941. As President FDR after the failure of his New Deal to the American People (US Government spending money did not have to create jobs) knew that US Consumerism could not get the US out of the Great Depression and that the Sales of "War Materials" could and did. example: How many Made In China iPhones would you have to sell to equal just one Made In US F-15 sold to US Ally Saudi Arabia. Currently the US Military Defense Industrial Complex employs almost a hundred million overpaid expensive US Civilians that get a "Fair and Living Wage" as to why the US Military must pay $300 for a hammer and those expensive USAF Toilet Seats.

                  April 2009 President Obama causes the Unemployment of 95,000 US Civilians with his April 2009 US Defense Budget Cuts:

                  Pricey Jet Fighters Add Up To Local Jobs
                  CBS Evening News: Funding For F-22 Jets Is On The Chopping Block, But Building Them Keeps 95,000 People Employed

                  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/25/eveningnews/main4893248.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;1

                  One thousand more jobs lost:

                  F-22 Potential Cancellation Affects Jobs in Connecticut
                  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-36140921/f-22-potential-cancellation-affects-jobs-in-connecticut/?tag=mncol;lst;10

                  In 2012 President Obama backpeddles like he is Lance Armstrong doing the Tour de France in reverse in his April 2009 Defense Budget Cut of one USN Aircraft Carrier, after the hundred thousand US Labor Union Workers that support one USN Aircraft Carrier that would become Unemployed threaten to drive down from Virginia and Strike at the Steps of the White House.

                  2012 President Obama State of the Union Address. Announcing the delaying of the F-35, that would have been sold to US Ally Saudi Arabia and made almost a Trillion USDs, plus the long term (Billions USDs per year) add on sales and long term US Jobs of maintenance, training, repair parts manufacturing, factory upgrades, retrofits, etc..

                  About 130,000 people in 47 states and Puerto Rico have jobs related to the project. The only states without F-35 work are Hawaii, North Dakota and Wyoming.

                  Previous examples of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) keeping the US Economy (US Jobs) going: Got the US out of the 1929-1939 Great Depression, the Recession prior to the Korean "Conflict", the Recession prior to the Vietnam War, "Deal of the Century" F-16 Sales, F-15 Sales ($30 billion),

                  StandUpJerkOff - getting us embroiled in two unnecessary wars in the Middle East

                  Sure prove you know nothing. Iraq: H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" JUSTIFICATION SECTION 2 FINDINGS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. This US Law became US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom 1998 to 2011 after Operation Desert Fox. So your other God that you worship President Clinton got us (US Military) involved and started that WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION CRAP.

                  StandUpJerkOff - Barack Obama is not God. He's not Jesus. He's not a miracle worker. You can't put a president in to office and expect to reverse some ten, twenty or thirty years of change in THREE DAMNED YEARS.

                  You want me to embarrass you with your other posts that indicated you worship President Obama.

                  In his First Year the FIRST PRIORITY for President Obama was to Reinstate the Glass Steagall Acts. AND NOT his Unbudgeted For $1.7 Trillion to $2.1 Trillion (adjusted for Inflation) Health Care Reform Act that caused the Current US Budget Deficits requiring the Cuts to the previously Budgeted to pay for the Not Budgeted $1.7 Trillion to $2.1 Trillion. Why (Motive): In order to get his $1 Billion of Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions (His Buddy "Mr. Corporate America" Legal Briefing the US Supreme Court before the Citizens United Case) he had to push his giving of $67 Billion to the "Insurance Industry", $20 Billion to "the Medical Device Industry", and $23 Billion to the "Pharmaschetical Industry" as stated in his February 22, 2010 The President Proposal and in the Section of Source of New Revenues in his Health Care Reform Act.

                  Removal of the President Clinton's Most Favored Trade Nation Status for China until the Chinese stop devaluation of their Yuan. This was done by President Clinton to get his Contributions from the Chinese to start his Clinton Foundation as mentioned during his Impeachment Hearings as "Chinagate". You think it was a coincidence that he was Governor of Arkansas the then Headquarters of Walmart.

                  Domingo de la Torre - It's called a Revolutionary War.

                  Cannot happen at US. President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural) that extended the President Bush Patriot Act (Singular) and made Legal the Monitoring and Censorship of all US Communications, and included the provisions of the defeated as Unconstitutional US Senate S.1959 and House of Representatives H.R.1955 also known as the "George Orwell, 1984, Thought Crimes Laws"; example: "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" (in that the stated verbal or written thought is also the Crime).

                  The other one slipped by the US Citizens was the Revised US Insurrection Act. We (US Military) already know that if we do not obey an Executive Order implementing the US Insurrection Act (Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens) that we are subject to Summary Executions and that even after our Summary Executions our Families, Relatives, Friends, etc. are subject to adverse actions (like "Indefinite Detentions", Blacklists, etc.) as possible Co Conspirators to our Treason.

                  And it was NOT the Repugnants that pushed this sh!t, it was the Demoncraps as example, the Speaker for All the Demoncraps, then Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, "Anyone returning from the Wars is a Potential Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" (Guilty until proven innocent).

                  • 4 votes
                  #6.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:41 PM EST

                  But, but, David...how can your statements be true? We all know that it was Bush who singlehandedly created ALL our problems, that Bush and only Bush is why Obama is so inept. Now, Obama didn't even think about repealing the Patriot Act (an evil that can and should be laid on Bush) uh, nope. Obama enlarged and enhanced it with his autopen and then put the final screws in the coffin of civil rights by signing NDAA.

                  Obama now has the government controlling the Health Care Industry which is one-sixth of the national economy. His hidden taxes and fees and mandates will drive up the costs rather than the reverse. Obama is the first president to take control of a major manufacturing company in a non-war economic era and replace the CEO with one of his choosing. We now have Government Motors showing RECORD PROFITS except that if the government were to pull support, GM wouldn't be doing so well.

                  Also, as David so aptly pointed out, under Obama, we are now officially and completely a police state. Anyone can be deemed a terrorist and shot. Think not? Go read up on NDAA. Lots of weasel wording and the ultimate definition of terrorist resides within the organizations holding the guns...and said gun holders answer to a man named Holder who works hand-in-glove with Obama.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.8 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST

                  Someone teach this jerk off clown about creative destruction.

                    #6.9 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:44 AM EST
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                    They want to tax those making over 250k which is 100% of all small businesses that run their taxes through their personal taxes. So a small business that does 1 job in a year for 300k and pays his employees salary and healthcare and benfits and pays his subcontractors and suppliers for this job may make 20-30k after all expenses and is taxed 35% on the 30k..doesnt leave much for small businesses to take home or reinvest,,,,,, so does it make sense to raise their taxes,,,NO... themedia will not explain the facts of how things really work ..nor will politicians.

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                    Reply#7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST

                    Nobody gets taxed at 35% on 30K of income.

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                    #7.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:04 PM EST

                    Your taxed on net, not gross. If your example company NETS over 250k their tax rate will go up under the proposed plan but only on the dollars over the 250k not the whole amount.

                      #7.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:54 PM EST

                      LOL. Once again the Academic Idealists post baloney.

                      Due to the Local, City, State Budget Shortfall, the Local, City, State Governments increased their Business Taxes, Business Licenses, etc.. example: The loss of Property Taxes due to all the Foreclosures.

                      These Local, City, State Taxes are added to:

                      American companies are finding new overseas tax havens to legally protect some of their profits from the U.S. tax rate of 35 percent, among the highest in the world. Lesley Stahl reports.

                      http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7376848n&tag=mncol;lst;1

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                      #7.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:51 PM EST

                      That is a line of @!$%#. They are moving overseas because they actually have to pay their employees in the US. Hardly any corporations pay the full 35% rate. Many pay nothing in taxes while posting billions in profit and then our government gives them billions of dollars worth of subsidies.

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                      #7.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:58 AM EST

                      @News...

                      Do you honestly believe that 100% of all small businesses net over $250k a year???? No one is that stupid. You apparently have no idea what you are talking about. You have completely confused both coporate and individual tax rates and how taxes are computed. Small, unincorporated businesses are taxed just as if it were a job. Net income is what is taxes. For corporations, gross profits are what is taxed.

                      The real fact is that the lowest half of the country income pays over 70% of all taxes and fees --- federal, state and local. Many of these taxes are very regressive --- meaning that they hit the poor much harder than the wealthy. These regressive taxes include state and local income taxes, but most prominently sales taxes, personal property taxes, and fees (such as tag renewal and professional licensure.) The federal tax system seeks to offset some of the tax inequity by building in "functional deductions" that take these taxes into consideration. That is why so many people don't pay any federal income taxes --- their total tax bills are already so high that there is essentially no money left to tax.

                      I agree than any small businessman who nets more than $250k a year (that would take a gross of several million dollars to realize) should pay more taxes than someone making $50k a year, both in rate and minimum amount.

                      Some of this inequity was a gift from the Reagan administration. Reagan was the first President to loot the "standing trust funds" --- Social Security, Medicare, Highway, Airways, even the Lighthouse Maintenance Trust Fund. He did this to fund his physically impossible Star Wars (SDI) program that magically made $1.1-1.3 TRILLION disappear with no results or accounting for even a dime of it. But he also turned cash assets in the trust funds into unfunded liabilities by placing IOU's in their place (which he then treated as an asset.) That was why GHW Bush referred to it as "voodoo economics." But Reagan did an even more slimy trick --- he gave us the largest tax increase of any President (bringing on a nasty recession in the process.) He did this by cutting income taxes slightly (and mostly for the wealthy and corporations) but at the same time eliminated Revenue Sharing in which some federal tax dollars were returned directly to states and communities. As a result of losing this substantial income, states and local governments were forced to immediately increase sales, property and other regressive taxes. This had the effect of shifting more and more of the tax burden in this country from the wealthy to the poor.

                      But the bottom line is that the poor are already taxed to death. Any economist will tell you that there is simply not any more money there to be taxed. It is one reason why a regressive "flat tax" or "fair tax" would benefit the wealthy and shift even more of the tax burden to the poor and middle class. And it is also why one will never be enacted --- you can't tax people who don't have the money to start with. A Depression Era bank robber was asked, "Why do you rob banks?" He replied, "Because that's where the money is." That holds good for taxation as well.

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                      #7.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:01 PM EST
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                      Sorry to say you are incorrect @ k1200RS,,,,,if that 30k is profit from the job that is exactly what your tax rate is between state and fed for your business....Facts are facts...

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                      Reply#8 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:29 PM EST

                      Considering that every state has a different state tax structure, while some states have NO state taxes, your statement is meaningless.

                      Sorry..

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                      #8.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:34 PM EST

                      @K1200Rs,

                      Your lack of critical thinking ability is astounding. There are NO states that "have NO state taxes." Period. I guess that's why your handle and picture are of a third-rate BMW morotcycle with a long history of problems.

                        #8.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:04 PM EST

                        Florida has no state income tax.

                          #8.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:21 PM EST

                          But still does have state taxes.

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                          #8.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:22 AM EST
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                          Large companies will not hire anyone until Obamacare gets resolved and they see how much it will cost them. This is a big issue for them and the Supreme Court will have to resolve this mess.

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                          Reply#9 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:34 PM EST

                          tnmnbates, you are mistaken. Large companies are hiring by the 1000s. Unfortunately, they are mostly part-time only.

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                          #9.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:11 PM EST

                          Part time...so they can avoid any benefits!!! God forbid should the CEO who does nothing take a pay cut! Hate big companies...all they do is use, abuse and toss away!!

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                          #9.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:36 PM EST

                          @tnmnbates,

                          Large companies have little or no stake in Obamacare. They would continue offering health insurance just as they are currently. There will be no measurable increase in what it would cost them. If you are a company already offering a health insurance plan that is evenly vaguely reasonable, nothing at all will change. The only wait-and-see issue with corporations is than many are trying to figure out if there is a way to just stop offering health insurance to employees and just dump the whole thing in the taxpayer's lap.

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                          #9.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:08 PM EST
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                          We need to tax these big companies into oblivion now! Tis the way of the occupier..., and the Administration...

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                          Reply#10 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:39 PM EST

                          This should not be a surprise. Government is the biggest employer. Very large companies are next. Moderately large companies come after that.

                          The organizations that employ the most people are the biggest employers. Where's the news?

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                          Reply#12 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:05 PM EST

                          The key to moving the economy is,

                          Vote comrade's soros, van jones and obama OUT!!!!!!!

                            Reply#13 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:12 PM EST

                            The problem is that small business has been disappearing....few of them can survive in todays antibusiness environment. You are not going to have a choice....You will either work for big business or the government....They dont want to be bothered with small business and they are willing to kill it......Look around and see how many are already gone...

                              Reply#14 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:14 PM EST

                              no kidding ... trickle down chump change is what the government and big business have been doing for 25 years and we are seeing the result ......

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                              #14.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:49 AM EST
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                              This brings new meaning to the term "too big to fail". It isn't just about the potential impact on economic activity, but how many lives would be destroyed due to the concentration of so much of the means of production in one place.

                              We need more private ownership, meaning more different people owning businesses, instead of more business owned by the same few people!

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                              Reply#15 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:09 AM EST

                              This should be no surprise to anyone. The more complex regulations get, the more government intervention we get, the more cost government adds to doing business in this country, the fewer small companies we will have because of the economy of scale and the competitive advantage that gives to larger companies.

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                              Reply#16 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:00 PM EST

                              Peter...

                              You left out a key factor. Corporate financial influence on policy and favorable legislation.

                                #16.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:01 PM EST
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                                Whoever pays more will get my services. Big or small, does not matter.

                                  Reply#17 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:55 PM EST

                                  You are a liar. The fact that you hide behind a computer screen makes it easy.

                                    #17.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:54 AM EST

                                    Zimbabwe companies will pay you one trillion (1,000,000,000,000.00) of their dollars an hour, but if you worked all week you still won't have enough to buy a pack of cigarettes. That, young man, is where we are heading!

                                      #17.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:05 PM EST
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                                      Isn't this the exact same thing as saying, "Small businesses employ more than half of workforce"??

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                                      Reply#18 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:30 AM EST

                                      Put all these big companies out of business and send 50% of the workforce packing!!!!

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                                      Reply#19 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:53 AM EST

                                      send 50% of the workforce packing

                                      So William, what you're saying is that you, as a representative of the right-wing point-of-view, favor death panels? If not, then what are you saying? Send 50% of the workforce where, exactly?

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                                      #19.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:01 AM EST

                                      What are you talking about "death panels"? I'm saying big business is evil and those 50% of the workforce promote evil. Terminate all their jobs and the problem is solved.

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                                      #19.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:14 AM EST

                                      And once you've terminated all their jobs, what do you suggest they do to survive?

                                      I'm expecting you to present a cogent, moral defense for what you are advocating for. However, please keep in mind that one possible reply is that you don't care about being moral.

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                                      #19.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:40 AM EST

                                      *crickets*

                                        #19.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 AM EST

                                        *crickets*? More like "facepalm".

                                        Clearly I wasn't being serious.

                                          #19.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:01 PM EST

                                          The standard means of labeling sarcasm here is either /sarc/ or /s/

                                          Have a nice day.

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                                          #19.6 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:14 PM EST
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                                          The sad truth is that profit margins for most businesses have been crushed and the only way to compete in the marketplace anymore is being a giant business that counts on their "economy of scale" to produce profits ..... and the fact that big business (aka Wall Street) has bought Conress and the political system to garner benefits and rewards small business never see .......

                                          remember the East India trading Company and the british crown were essintally partners ... America has come full circle where the gov and business now have the upper hand in commerce!

                                          Time to dump some more tea!

                                            Reply#20 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:44 AM EST

                                            '...profit margins have been crushed?'... Are you aware that we are in the midst of the most blatant case of Corporate profiteering in American History? Wake up young man!

                                              #20.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:57 PM EST
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                                              I see MSNBC is still picking and choosing which articles we can comment on.

                                              About the article headlined... 'Surge in Oil Prices May Dampen Recovery'

                                              I know there are two enonomies in the US; the one the Elite enjoy at the expense of the Citizens, and the one the Citizens are drowning in. I'm sure the word 'recovery' does not apply to either.

                                                Reply#21 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST
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